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    • Well the pic they show for the movie seems to indicate that it's Chi-Ha Tan and Ooarai vs St. Gloriana and Pravda.

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    • Alright having a closer look at the high resolution this is what I can extract for the teams and what they fielded.

      Won't go into the Anzio vs Maginot as that is the info we already had with the Anzio OVA.

      Jakotsota; 1x StuG III ausf. G "Sturmi", 1x Panzer IV ausf. J, 1x BT-42, 1x T-34/76, 1x T-34/85, 1x T-26, 2x BT-5 and 2x BT-7.

      Blue Division; 2x T-26, 2x BT-5, 1x panzer II ausf. E, 1x panzer III ausf. J, 1x Stug III ausf. G and 1x panzer IV ausf. H. I can't decipher what that 3rd tank from the left is.

      Viking Marine; 2x Somua S35, 2x Hotchkiss H35, 1x Panzer I ausf. B, 2x Panzer II ausf. B, 2x Panzer III ausf. N and finally a PzKfw Nb.Fz.

      Koala; 2x Mathilda II, 4x M3 Stuart, 2x M3 Grant/Lee and 2x Sentinel AC-1

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    • Congratulation! I had not managed to identify as.

      The third tank Bleue Division, is a Carro Ligero de combate "Verdeja".

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    • Ah right, then if I'm not mistaken the Verdeja I tank can be seen in the photo in the upper right corner. Their german tank choices are odd though given none of these ever served with the Division Azul and the panzer II ausf. E was pulled out of service following the Polish campaign.

      Well it is definetly clear as to how and why Jakotsa defeated Blue Division given they have much better armed tanks nad they used their fast BT to attack in the flanks. Given that the diagram for that battle doesn't show either the T-26 or the BT-42 I think that likely one of these was the flagtank with my guess going to the T-26 with the other acting as the bodyguard for said flagtank.

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    • Now that i know the balance of forces equipement, i am very impressed with the Viking Marine victory. These girls did better than Anzio against Maginot (which was already a victory).

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    • Aye, looking purely at the tanks Koala has the edge when it comes to armor and firepower. I can imagine that it must have been a pretty close match as well.

      Anzio also seems to have done what I had expected of them, try and break up Maginot and have the Semovente's pick them off one at a time.

      Really happy with all of this info as that gives me more to work with for my GuP fanfic.

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    • Yes this is the Verdeja, right in the photo.

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    • This is why I keep loving GuP, even after all these years there is still so much info.

      There's also more info on Chi-Ha Tan, seems like they have 3 types of tanks at least. Type 97 Chi-Ha, Type 97 Chi-Ha Shinhoto Kai and the Type 95 Ha-Go.

      Curious though what is up with the pictures they show of the O-I tank? Guess that is more due to WoT.

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    • Yes, months so i expect this kind of tactic from Anchovy ... and its successful diversion is masterfull! To believe that it disguised Cv33 in Semovente, for both Maginot bit the bait ( ...Pepperoni and has forgotten to be stupid!)

      For Jatkosota flag-tank, i thought the Panzer IV, as it seemed hidden behind the StuG III, but you may be right... that's what had also Pravda.

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    • Very interesting, thanks.

      I also agree that Viking did pretty nice; considering the opposed firepower, that was a nice win.

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    • Well there are some advantages to selecting a small light tank to act as your flagtank, given its smaller size it is much easier to hide and if I'm reaing that diagram right it might have been a heavy forrested area.

      I think that the panzer IV was likely there to protect the flanks of the Sturmi and to take care of any tanks that might slip between the T-34's but then you could be right, Jatkosota did execute an textbook example of an ambush.

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    • Jaktosota used, in a different context though, the same strategy Anzio used at the beginning against Ooarai, the double envelopment coupled with attack from the front.

      Instead, it seems to me that Koala tried a rather defensive approach... since it seems they were on a hill, and Viking managed to slip some tank up the hill that got the flag tank.

      Somebody can figure out what the charts are supposed to mean? I don't understand.

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    • I think the diagram are there to show kidn of what what the Leopold screens show, a quick chart that gives an overview of what is happening.

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    • I could be wrong, but they make me think of the vulnerabily of the diagram Tigerfibel . This can beings is same, but applied to all tanks of a team ? 

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    • I don't know. It's confusing; for example, the ones of the Anzio vs Maginot match seem to indicate a superiority of most of the Anzio figures... and I can't figure out why. Maybe it's because of the losses suffered by the teams or something?

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    • You're right, this can not be it.

      About Anzio, I realize that I have been unfair with Anchovy : against Maginot, it had only three tanks equipped whith guns (no P26/40). The victory of Anzio is equivalent to that of Viking Marine!

      About Viking vs Koala match, I'm surprised Koala has neglected the bridge?

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      You're right, this can not be it.

      About Anzio, I realize that I have been unfair with Anchovy : against Maginot, it had only three tanks equipped whith guns (no P26/40). The victory of Anzio is great as that of Viking Marine!

      About Viking vs Koala match, I'm surprised Koala has neglected the bridge?

      Well, we have to take notice of the fact that, although Anzio had only three gun tanks, those tanks (three Semoventi da 75/18) were ideal for ambushes, and their 75 mm guns had good performance, better than anything Maginot had (at most, good 47 mm in the SOMUAs and the Char B1 bis-es, that also had a short and awkward 75 mm howitzer), however.

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    • Its true!  But victory remains nice. Especially as the Commander of Maginot, Eclaire, was far from stupide.

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    • True but we should also look at how does the change of strategy work out for Maginot's team, Eclair is only a team commander for 6 months and a lot of experienced crews have left. Maginot's inexperience at mobile warfare could have costed them.

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    • This is a hadicap, it is on; and it also cause were trying in the team. Poor Eclaire.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Ah right, then if I'm not mistaken the Verdeja I tank can be seen in the photo in the upper right corner. Their german tank choices are odd though given none of these ever served with the Division Azul and the panzer II ausf. E was puleld out of service following the Polish campaign.

      Well it is definetly clear as to how and why Jakotsa defeated Blue Division given they have much better armed tansk nad they used their fast BT to attack in the flanks. Given that the diagram for that battle doesn't show either the T-26 or the BT-42 I think that likely one of these was the flagtank with my guess going to the T-26 with the other acting as the bodyguard for said flagtank.

      End 1943, the Germans sold and delivered 20Panzer IV Ausf.H and 10 StuG Ausf.G to Spain, but you is right, because i have never been sent to the Estern front. When the Panzer II, I find no trace of any delivery.

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    • Ah thanks for that bit of information, I had been looking for deliveries of german armor to spain but I couldn't find any. Well that certainly offers a reason for the panzer IV and Stug III, any info with regards to that panzer III?

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    • To, sorry, I had forgotten in the liste... No trace of Panzer III, also.

      They could have put the Panzer I Ausf.A / 20mm Breda Modello 1935 ; a Panzer I raised the turret, and reset with italian 20mm cannon - a transformation of Spanish Nationnalistes, with weapons intended, originally, has of L3-35 ( Pepperoni drool with desire !!!)

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    • I agree, that tank is so fitting for Division Blue and it is also something rather unique, well Blue might have them but decided to simply not field them that match.

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    • That is possible! .... If they make a OVA one day, I wonder what the "Panzer-jacket" girls Blue Division? There you wil be inspired : Franquiste? Réqueté(Carliste)? Républicain? POUM(Trotskiste)?.... Will be "No pasaran !" tagged on the tanks?

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    • I would much rather see the maginot battle for a new OVA, really liking the look of the maginot uniform and would liek to hear what Eclaire might sound like.

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    • This is the one I expect priority, too ! The idea of seeing the battle between Eclair and Anchovy excites my curiosity.

      It is true that the Panzer-jacket of Maginot is beautiful! It is a successful implementation of the uniform of the French tank crews of 1936/1940 (and infantry officers , some) - EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR ! (fortunately, the manga is in black & white)

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    • I quite like the blue color for their uniform, it stands out. It also make the maidens appear rather endearing.

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    • I agree with that : its flattering and original. It's just the anachronism of the mixture that bothers me : the "azure blue" from 1915/1918 to 1936/1940 uniforms. - The colors of the Panzer-jacket of St.Gloriana, Saunders, Anzio, Pravda, Kuromorimine and Chi-Ha-Tan are much fairer, more consistent.

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      Hauptman wrote:
      Ah right, then if I'm not mistaken the Verdeja I tank can be seen in the photo in the upper right corner. Their german tank choices are odd though given none of these ever served with the Division Azul and the panzer II ausf. E was puleld out of service following the Polish campaign.

      Well it is definetly clear as to how and why Jakotsa defeated Blue Division given they have much better armed tansk nad they used their fast BT to attack in the flanks. Given that the diagram for that battle doesn't show either the T-26 or the BT-42 I think that likely one of these was the flagtank with my guess going to the T-26 with the other acting as the bodyguard for said flagtank.

      End 1943, the Germans sold and delivered 20Panzer IV Ausf.H and 10 StuG Ausf.G to Spain, but you is right, because i have never been sent to the Estern front. When the Panzer II, I find no trace of any delivery.

      Well, why should they have wasted such valuable vehicles on the Eastern Front? Much better to keep them at home, just in case...

      If I think that the Italian troops on the Eastern Front had just some CV.33s, some L.6/40s and a few Semoventi da 47/32... the Semovente da 90/53 was meant to be deployed there, but it came too late, when the game was up in that theater.

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    • Correct, all of the more powerfull Italian vehicles were kept for the fighting in North Africa or the defense of the Italian homeland itself.

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    • The Finns had captured and reused, from 1942 to 1944, a very rare T-50. Too bad Jackosota did not do the same..

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    • Italianfan88 wrote:
      I don't know. It's confusing; for example, the ones of the Anzio vs Maginot match seem to indicate a superiority of most of the Anzio figures... and I can't figure out why. Maybe it's because of the losses suffered by the teams or something?

      There are similar patterns on the magazine page (forum link)

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Well the pic they show for the movie seems to indicate that it's Chi-Ha Tan and Ooarai vs St. Gloriana and Pravda.

      It's confirmed.

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    • Yep, really looking forward to it.

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      Italianfan88 wrote:
      I don't know. It's confusing; for example, the ones of the Anzio vs Maginot match seem to indicate a superiority of most of the Anzio figures... and I can't figure out why. Maybe it's because of the losses suffered by the teams or something?
      There are similar patterns on the magazine page (forum link)

      I found the answer on theAnimeSuki forum, thank to comments Arkhangelsk ( who reads the Japanese) : it's graphics on skills  & abilities of schools.

      I copy here his comments.

      Interesting, but I must wonder if whoever wrote this (be it in-universe or out-of-universe) was actually watching the battles when they came to conclusions such as Kuromorimine getting a 5/5 in Crew Training and Command while Saunders and Pravda get 2/5 in both while St. Gloriana gets 3/5 in Crew Training and 4/5 in Command. I will refrain from making further jokes as to KMM's performance (which at best deserve 1/5, if not 0/5 in each). But Pravda should get a relatively high mark in Crew Training (they were actually shooting out weapons), and Saunders should get a good mark in command (they actually maneuver by section and platoon, and while Alisa is no great tank commander, she's a great staff officer - I added a little blurb in TVTropes to explain why). Though St. Glorianna supposedly has a pretty formation, it is not as far as I can see significantly better than the others, they shoot poorly but at least they don't panick so I'll give them a lower mark that's still higher than KMM.

      In its judgment on kuromorimine, Arkangelsk I find a complete bad faith, but for the rest : thank you to him !

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    • Very well, but so far I had imagined that too. What I can't figure is which ability and skill is which, and this comment isn't helpful in that sense. I don't get in which ability/skill Anzio gets a score of 5, 4.5 and 4 respectively, while Maginot scores everything as 2.5 or lower.

      Well, Arkhangelsk is quite too harsh on KMM, but he has a point; for a school with supposedly as perfect training as it can, KMM does show some serious cracks both in Training and in Command. In the first, all it was needed was for an opponent to do something unexpected (and by the way, why not think about leaving an enemy tank in the rear without having somebody watch over that, especially when you have to besiege the enemy's main force on a hill, an operation that requires time?), and in the second, while the command hierarchy worked, for the commander to accept a single duel against the enemy flag tank is a rather poor choice, even when your side has overwhelming numerical superiority; you give the enemy the chance to win despite the odds, and this is what happened. Maho had her reasons to do so, but I'm a bit surprised that nobody protested or that she wouldn't face any censure for that: for a school willing to let its own crews die of drowning for the sake of victory, what excuse could be there for accepting a one-on-one duel when the situation didn't absolutely require that?

      So, harsh, yes; but not without some reason.

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    • True but it seems that KMM only trains their crews in a very rigid and inflexible manner of gameplay. In the drama CD when Miho visits KMM Maho comments that they are looking at changing the way KMM operates.

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    • KMM does show some serious cracks? But all the big teams were "show some serious cracks" against Oarai! The defeats of Maginot & Anzio (OVA & Manga) are more honorable than those of Saunders, Pravda and KMM. And those of Saunders & Pravda, would have been even worse without the elite shooters Naomi & Nonna (KMM does not seem to have). The victory of St.Gloriana, it is largely due to the shield of Churchill. 

      Flaws in the command and training? They also had in Oarai, whereas at this stage of the competition, they were not really debutantes. 

      - Miho, veteran of KMM, is completely surprised by the ambush of his sister. She should know, however, the ability of Maho anticipate enemy movement. She should also know the ability of his former team quickly through a forest with heavy tanks.

      - After the "deactivation" of Type-3, Miho waiting more than a minute before giving the order to trigger the smoke. 

      - The Hetzer in ambush, sees passing the flag-Tiger are in sight, it does not take this opportunity. 

      - After the flight tanks of Oarai the hill, Erika starts in pursuit. Tiger II is more visible than a Hetzer, despite this threat, when the Tiger (P) to its failure, Miho leaves are flag-tank column tail! It does not even have active smoke! If the Tiger II did not break a caterpillar, Oarai lost! 

      - After breaking a second time caterpillars Jadpanther, the Hetzer did not end - result: the Tiger(P) underwent an additional shots 88"lang". 

      - At the end of the ep.11, Miho falls into the same trap that had tended to St.Gloriana. 

      - Between the time when the large external tank Maus appears - what should have to make them understand - and the order to retreat Miho, it takes 37 seconds (21 after a girl had shouted "This is a tank !"). Worse, Oarai expects the Maus has finished turning to shoot him. And Miho, despite the deactivation of B1bis and the StuG III, continues to exhibit his flag-tank! 

      I maintain that KMM does not deserve the contempt of Arkhangelsk!

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    • For the vast difference between Anzio and Maginot, I think it is, perhaps, because of nonoplace turrets french tanks. Eclair and tank commanders are forced to combine the roles of : commander / gunner / loader. Their alter ego of Anzio, on board 75/18 Semovent, combine the roles of : commander & loader. 

      Another handicap: the cupolas French tanks do not open; Maginot girls are forced to open the turret door and expose their bodies. For those of Anzio, just lift a trap door to get out the head.

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      KMM does show some serious cracks? But all the big teams were "show some serious cracks" against Oarai! The defeats of Maginot & Anzio (OVA & Manga) are more honorable than those of Saunders, Pravda and KMM. And those of Saunders & Pravda, would have been even worse without the elite shooters Naomi & Nonna (KMM does not seem to have). The victory of St.Gloriana, it is largely due to the shield of Churchill. 

      Flaws in the command and training? They also had in Oarai, whereas at this stage of the competition, they were not really debutantes. 

      - Miho, veteran of KMM, is completely surprised by the ambush of his sister. She should know, however, the ability of Maho anticipate enemy movement. She should also know the ability of his former team quickly through a forest with heavy tanks.

      - After the "deactivation" of Type-3, Miho waiting more than a minute before giving the order to trigger the smoke. 

      - The Hetzer in ambush, sees passing the flag-Tiger are in sight, it does not take this opportunity. 

      - After the flight tanks of Oarai the hill, Erika starts in pursuit. Tiger II is more visible than a Hetzer, despite this threat, when the Tiger (P) to its failure, Miho leaves are flag-tank column tail! It does not even have active smoke! If the Tiger II did not break a caterpillar, Oarai lost! 

      - After breaking a second time caterpillars Jadpanther, the Hetzer did not end - result: the Tiger(P) underwent an additional shots 88"lang". 

      - At the end of the ep.11, Miho falls into the same trap that had tended to St.Gloriana. 

      - Between the time when the large external tank Maus appears - what should have to make them understand - and the order to retreat Miho, it takes 37 seconds (21 after a girl had shouted "This is a tank !"). Worse, Oarai expects the Maus has finished turning to shoot him. And Miho, despite the deactivation of B1bis and the StuG III, continues to exhibit his flag-tank! 

      I maintain that KMM does not deserve the contempt of Arkhangelsk!

      Can we really compare Ooarai's training (even for the late match, when they all know what's at stake, and they got some experience, limited however) against KMM's training (which, judging by what we know, it's similar to being in a harsh military boot camp, and whose girls have longer experience)?

      I never claimed Ooarai's conduct to be perfect; the focus was on KMM's training, which I agree with Hauptman as being too rigid to cope with the tactics their opponents used.

      So, I maintain that Arkhangelsk was too hard, especially since other schools (with more orthodox tactics) their training would have paid off well, but I think that at least by 0.5-1 point the 5 Command and Crew Training skills/abilities should be lowered. Especially about the latter, it's not the intensity, it's the efficacy of the training that counts; and Ooarai's success does show that something should be revised, in my opinion.

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    • And I've never placed on the same plane the formation of KMM-and-Oarai. Only final arrival, I consider that the daughters of Oarai should have gained enough experience to avoid stupid things like: Forgetting to shoot a flag-tank, when one has the opportunity; Forgetting to disable a Jagdpanther immobilized; Rush into a trap, they had stretched them even to another school; Forget that the sides of a tank are more vulnerable than its glaze. As for Miho, she has no excuse: it was the former Commander-in-KMM second, so it was a veteran!By aillor I rappèlerais as KMM is also a school, with students leaving and others coming; so there was not necessarily that vétérants in their tanks. 

      That said, I think, too, it would lower the rating of KMM, but certainly not at the level where it would Arkhangelsk, here we do agree 

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    • Alright.

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    • On this forum  an overview of the page kuromorimine vs Chi-Ha Tan

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    • Nice find but it's a shame of that angle, makes it impossible to read the diagram on the tanks used. That said I can make out in the upper right coener Maho's Tiger I and a Panther next to her, those two alone are already more than enough to crush anything that Chihatan seems to have.

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    • Yes, as Pravda with Bonple, kuromorimine has had no qualms in average wholesale used against Chi-Ha Tan. If this had been Saunder, I am convinced that Kay would have been alot more fair play with these two small team and would have used M3 Stuart.

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    • I wouldn't be surprised if this match was over in a manner of minutes, to crush your opponents swiflty, ruthlessly and effiictiently. Judging by the look on Nishi's face it must have been pretty ferocious as well.

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    • Ferocious? I do not doubt for a single moment! To compensate for their inferior equipment, the daughters of Chi-Ha Tan certainly practice the same tactics as Anzu-Yuzu-Momo (attack at close range with shooting  in caterpillars and rings turrets ) Unfortunately, if I understand their Type 97 "Chi-Ha" have the same gun as the Type 89 - and they seem to have only one 'Shinhoto Chi Ha'!

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    • Even with several Shinhoto they wouldn't stand a chance agains the likes of the Tiger or Panther, poor chihatan. They got soem of the worst bad luck during this tournament in having their first match be against KMM.

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    • In terms of raw firepower, I'd say that Chi-Ha Tan seems to be slightly inferior to Anzio and Maginot (although of course all three schools would be in a hopeless situation against KMM and Pravda). With only some 37 and 47 mm guns (and few of them, because it seems that most of their force is composed of Chi-Ha with the inferior 57 mm gun), they have it worse than Maginot, that at least has a strong component of 37 and 47 mm guns, and even Anzio, who at least have four decent 75 mm guns.

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    • True, but then I do fidn these weaker teams more interesting than the powerhouses.

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    • Ditto !

      And if that was Bonple who shot No. 13 for the match against Tan Chi-Ha ? Which of the two would have the best chance of winning, for the same experience ? 

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    • Well without knowing exacty what each respective team fielded in the first turn it's hard to say for certain but I do think that based on the information that we have thus far that the resutl would be much closer.

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    • For Bonple, I think it would have been a mixture of 7TPdw; 7TPjw and TKS 20mm nkm version?

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    • That is what we have seen so far in Ribbon Warrior but it's hard to say for certain if that is all they have or if they also have something heavier to use.

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    • Here, it depends on what other Polish Army inspired them ? Cobelligerent Russian army (T-34/85 ; IS-2) ? Cobelligerent  Anglo-Saxon army (Sherman ; Cromwell) ? Secret Army "Warsaw Uprising" (Panther G ; Hetzer) ?

      Otherwise, what is the value of "37mm" of 7TP, compared to tanks guns Chi-Ha Tan?

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    • That is a good question and sadly I can't read much of it in their Gekkan article. I have seen mention of R35, M4A2 and T-34/76 but I can't say if they actually have these or if they are planning on getting these.

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    • Thank you ... I tried to order the special edition Gekkan Senshado in a japanese bookstore in Paris, but was impossible for importing.

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    • I would love for these to be released in a translated format, I would buy them instantly.

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    • Nice, found anthing of what it might contain inside. I'm dying to learn more about GuP.

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    • Well KMM is pretty self explanatory, 1x Tiger I, 2x Tiger II, 8x Panther ausf. G, 3x panzer IV/70 and the single panzer III ausf. J which means they sure are bringing some serious firepower.

      St. Gloriana is a little harde but I'd wager at 1x Churchill mk VII, 11x Mathilda mk II, 2x Crusader and 1x Cromwell.

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    • Thank you !

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    • only 2 king tigers II ? I thought they had more surely?

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    • Hi everyone,

      Does anybody manage to get a clearer version of the page of the match KMM vs Chi-Ha-Tan ????

      Thanks

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    • 2 is all that we have seen from KMM, even in the finals the only employed 2 of the Tiger II.

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    • true, other wise KMM would have employed more because they like high numbers an fire power.

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    • Can't read for Chi-ha Tan I'ld says (it's pure speculation)

      4xType 97 Chi-ha

      5xType 97 Shinhoto

      1xType 95 Ha-go

      but it seems that KMM align during the match

      1xTiger I

      2xTiger II

      4x Panther G

      2xJadg IV

      1xPz IIIJ

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    • After comparing the ideograms lines with those of an artbook, I think you was right about the KMM.

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    • For Chi-Ha Tan I only speculate but I think I'm right. (I saw 3 types of tanks 4x of the first 5x of the second & 1x last)

      For the tank alone I think it's the Ha-Go because first some team use light tanks for recon or as a decoy (KMM do this with the Pz.III) and I think it could be stupid to bring many of this tank especially against KMM.

      For the tank in 4 exemplaries, I think it's the Chi-Ha because the favorite tank of Chi-Ha Tan (thanks Captain Obvious).

      And for the one in 5 exemplaries I think it's the Shinhoto because I barely manage to compare the ideograms of the pic and those on the main site and it seems to correspond.

      So I stay on my thoughts 4xType 97 Chi-ha  5xType 97 Chi-ha Shinhoto 1xType 95 Ha-go

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    • I'm not so sure on the x5 for the Shinhoto, it doesn't seem like they had that many of them in them in the art, the movie should also help to figure out what Chi-ha tan's composition is.

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    • I've found these about some schools I've never heard about. They don't seem recent, however I'm posting them here, in case they weren't discussed before. If they were, sorry for the double.

      Count (Romanian) and Viggen (Swedish) high schools.

      Gregor (Czech) high school.

      Also, something about Mapleabout Waffleabout Continuation, too.

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    • Yep, they have been around for a bit, Maple is a Canadian themed school and seems to use tanks such as the Ram II, Grizzly, Valentines and a few other I can't make out.

      Waffle is a Belgium themed school and Continuation or Keisoku is the Finnish themed school that also shines in the movie.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Yep, they have been around for a bit, Maple is a Canadian themed school and seems to use tanks such as the Ram II, Grizzly, Valentines and a few other I can't make out.

      Waffle is a Belgium themed school and Continuation or Keisoku is the Finnish themed school that also shines in the movie.

      Yes, those we knew about. But I can't remember having read anything about Count, Gregor and Viggen.

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    • Well Count the Romanian themed school uses tanks suc as the 35t though it was caleld R2 in Romanian service and then a number of german vehicles such as the T3 (panzer III ausf. N), T4 (panzer IV ausf. H) and TA ( StuG III ausf. G)

      Viggen uses Swedish build tanks such as the Strv M/40 and M/42, likely the also use Sav M/43 assault guns.

      Gregor seems to be mostly stuck with LT-35 and LT-38.

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    • No, I meant I didn't even read about their existing at all... does anyone recall having heard of these three schools before? I sure haven't...

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    • I have, I think I've read about them being mentioned was at the start of the year in January.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      I'm not so sure on the x5 for the Shinhoto, it doesn't seem like they had that many of them in them in the art, the movie should also help to figure out what Chi-ha tan's composition is.


      Yeah I know this is pretty thin, and maybe you're right I think the 5x ones are the regulars one and maybe the 4x are the Shinhoto ones. So I check up again even if it's blurry I could check again with the main site and it ressemble more with the chi tan than the shinhoto. But for the ha-go I'm sure of it. Tell me what you think about it

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    • The only thing that I'm certain about is that Chihatan has at least 2 of the Shinhoto as I got to see a frame from the movie that showed the following; 3x Chi-Ha, 2x Chi-Ha Shinhoto and 1x Ha-Go.

      And another screenshot that showed that they have at the very least 4x Chi-Ha. I can't say anything else other than what I can see on the screenshots or the pages of Gekkan but we do know that they have atleast 10 tanks.

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    • im right vautor? yay, I hope kmm gets more tigers though maybe.

      an wow so many schools an more tanks, I guess gup will have a lot of epsiodes in the future

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    • There are quite a lot of other schools other than what has been shown in the anime, the Gekka articles have doen wonders to flesh out many of these and it provies all of the background one might need for doing either fanfiction or a new season.

      Maginot got considerably fleshed out due to their spin off manga.

      Is there any kind of nation that your particulary interested in, we could let you know more about that school.

      Kind of surprised though that there is a themed school representing Romania and Bulgary but nothing for Hungary when Hungary actually had a tank industry and produced quite some interesting vehicles.

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    • where is this gekka article id like to see this.

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    • General patton 101 wrote:
      where is this gekka article id like to see this.

      Here  and on this forum they have been translated

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Kind of surprised though that there is a themed school representing Romania and Bulgary but nothing for Hungary when Hungary actually had a tank industry and produced quite some interesting vehicles.

      Completely agree, especially as the Hungarians had developed a heavy tank prototype cannon KwK42 75mm L / 70 : the 44.M Tass.

      A Dutch to draw some fan-art on a hypothetical school on this theme.

      Szittya Tanks

      Szittya commanders 1

      Szittya commanders 2

      Szittya : tanks, horses and crews

      A bd a fight with Szittya vs St.Gloriana

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      There are quite a lot of other schools other than what has been shown in the anime, the Gekka articles have doen wonders to flesh out many of these and it provies all of the background one might need for doing either fanfiction or a new season.

      Maginot got considerably fleshed out due to their spin off manga.

      Is there any kind of nation that your particulary interested in, we could let you know more about that school.


      Write on GUP fanfic ? Yes it would try, but I already have a court, another theme anime.

      Among the ideas I have in mind, there is that of a schism Pravda - following an argument between some students and Katyusha. The rebels would create a rival team take the traditions of the Tsarist Russia, with different tanks from those of Pravda : T-50, KV-1, KV-85 and "TD" as : SU-85, SU-100, SU -152 and even a SU-76I (TD 76mm cannon S1, builds on a Panzer III chassis, captured) 

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    • Ehm that 7.5cm kwk 42 L70 is just the gun from the Panther, nor was the Tas going to be a heavy but a medium tank in the same view as the Panther.

      As for a Hungarian theme school I've been working on that myself for my fanfic, I call it Tarczay Womens Academy in reference to the famous Hungarian tank ace Ervin Tarczay with the team captain being called Goulash given that GuP likes to use food related names. Tanks that I have envisagioned are Toldi III light tanks, Turan I and III medium tanks, Zrinyi I and II assault guns.

      I would really avoid picking those vehicles if you're planning to go for a different style, you're better served with earlier desings as Pravda seems to go for the later designs. Keep also in mind that Tsarist Russia ended in 1917 so they won't have any traditions with regards to tanks. SU-76i is a nice one simply because its a rare machine.

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      KMM does show some serious cracks? But all the big teams were "show some serious cracks" against Oarai! The defeats of Maginot & Anzio (OVA & Manga) are more honorable than those of Saunders, Pravda and KMM. And those of Saunders & Pravda, would have been even worse without the elite shooters Naomi & Nonna (KMM does not seem to have). The victory of St.Gloriana, it is largely due to the shield of Churchill. 

      Flaws in the command and training? They also had in Oarai, whereas at this stage of the competition, they were not really debutantes. 

      - Miho, veteran of KMM, is completely surprised by the ambush of his sister. She should know, however, the ability of Maho anticipate enemy movement. She should also know the ability of his former team quickly through a forest with heavy tanks.

      - After the "deactivation" of Type-3, Miho waiting more than a minute before giving the order to trigger the smoke. 

      - The Hetzer in ambush, sees passing the flag-Tiger are in sight, it does not take this opportunity. 

      - After the flight tanks of Oarai the hill, Erika starts in pursuit. Tiger II is more visible than a Hetzer, despite this threat, when the Tiger (P) to its failure, Miho leaves are flag-tank column tail! It does not even have active smoke! If the Tiger II did not break a caterpillar, Oarai lost! 

      - After breaking a second time caterpillars Jadpanther, the Hetzer did not end - result: the Tiger(P) underwent an additional shots 88"lang". 

      - At the end of the ep.11, Miho falls into the same trap that had tended to St.Gloriana. 

      - Between the time when the large external tank Maus appears - what should have to make them understand - and the order to retreat Miho, it takes 37 seconds (21 after a girl had shouted "This is a tank !"). Worse, Oarai expects the Maus has finished turning to shoot him. And Miho, despite the deactivation of B1bis and the StuG III, continues to exhibit his flag-tank! 

      I maintain that KMM does not deserve the contempt of Arkhangelsk!

      Hello, Vautour, if I write things out, I welcome criticism. I just kind of wish you posted the response on Animesuki, where I can see it easily and answer any questions. Especially since how it is kind of getting quiet there so we need some noisemakers :-)

      Since the subject of my commentary was a magazine page including so-called ability charts for the other schools, but not Oarai, I don't see how dissing Oarai is going to help raise Kuromorimine's score relative *to the other schools*. I also don't think the point is to argue that Oarai put in a perfect performance (she did not, as you astutely point out). However compared to Kuromormine, she was definitely better and KMM was definitely embarassing.

      Onto your points, Miho does seem to be surprised by the ambush, but mostly it is Kuromorimine's shame there. By pushing her tanks more than Miho expected, Maho just barely got to her selected intercept point, but it was a poor choice. You can see them just sliding in there barely on time and Oarai was nearly past the CPA of the ambush. Combined with their low fire accuracy and they scored only one hit (you can say if they were luckier they would have hit the flagtank but considering their hit rates you can also say if we ran it all over again they are much more likely to hit nothing) and then got forced into a clumsy stern chase. They couldn't have been less effective if they just deployed in a line blocking the path to the mountain.

      For the whole thing, first, within most of that the minute you mention, it wasn't like Kuromorimine even shot. That's *very* thick smoke they are using and it has a limited quantity and they need it to last all the way to the hill. Since Kuromorimine did not land a single shot, one has to at least rate this a satisfactory IMO.

      The most common rationalization for the Hetzer scene is that the shot penetration is marginal for that range. Tank (hull) is 6.3m long and subtends just over 10 mils, so range is over 500m. The penetration (in a book) is in the region of 90mm. That's not a very large overpenetration and depending on the hit circumstances it might bounce ... and don't laugh ... Hana actually clipped the Tiger once in the schoolyard fight on the side ... and the flag didn't go up - either the computer decided it didn't pen or it wasn't disabling. So there is a valid reason to not attack the Tiger. 

      I think that whole part is Anzu, for once, being a team player and trusting Miho rather than being the top she's used to. She's performing her delay task. Definitely successfully causing a delay is better, in her mind, than say a 75% chance of knocking off one or two Panthers but not causing a delay (there's nothing to do but abandon them) or say a 50% chance of flagging the Tiger. She will leave the task of getting the Tiger to Miho, the rest of the tanks to the team and do her best to enable them to perform.

      Having said that, I agree that leaving the Jagdpanther was pushing this whole thing a step too far. I've heard people argue that the team on top really needs the disruption NOW. Which is true ... but then it should only be ten seconds to put one more into the Jagdpanther. Having said that, the Jagdpanther didn't do all that much the rest of the match - it probably did not make the Porsche Tiger live longer, but by how much is unknown.

      Next part. Three words: I doubt it. Kuromorimine could not shoot for beep, the range drum is set for 1700m, target is on a evasive course and she's firing on the move. Even Erika knows she has no real chance, which is why she's continuing to move rather than stopping.

      The last part - I think ... looking at the scene, most people have actually gotten the hint and were spontaneously reversing. It is quite possible that whole message was meant for one tank - Mallard team.

      Just my two cents!

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    • fair enough vautor

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    • Thank you General patton 101.

      @Arkhangelsk

      Why am I not intervened on AnimeSuki? Because my very bad English: I have to use an automatic translator. I'm asses wrong with a single forum.

      I pointed at the Oarai mistakes, because-as those of KMM were meticulously detailed, without the same work was done for his opponent.

      Otherwise, sorry but I am not convinced!

      I maintain that Miho is surprised by the ambush of his sister!

      I find that, without any means of aerial reconnaissance, Maho rather well anticipated the movements of Oarai, and the rate of progression of his own heavy tanks through a forest.

      When their marksmanship, I do not find KMM worse than other big teams. During the ambush of the village, Pravda fired a shorter distance, yet they have damaged three tanks - no disabled Oarai, while Pravda encircled them. Later, when the 38(t) circulating between their T-34 & IS-2, they were not more effective than KMM vs Hetzer (while all their Pravda tanks had turrets).

      Saunders is found several times at distances of shooting very low: they have not put a single shot on goal (except Naomi). When St.Gloriana during the ambush of Oarai missed they missed shots, against static targets at distances scarcely less ridiculous.

      For the smoke device: even though they would not have asses to reach the hill, nothing prevented them to take turns rolling two front lines. Moreover, the B1bis continued to smoke up the hill (as well as Type-89). Later, it was he covering, its smoky, the flight of other tanks. If the reserves of smoke really was as low, why did Miho does not entrust this latest mission to another tank? One who has not used its smoke while mounted? The M3 or Stug III, for example ...

      With "Panzergranate 40", the "7,5 cm PAK 39 L / 48"(Hetzer) 97mm perforated shield at a distance of 1000m, at an incidence of 30 ° and even 77mm 1500m (30 °). The Tiger1 is 80mm vertical shield on the sides and, moreover, the Tiger Maho was not at 30 °, when it appears in the viewfinder Anzu, but at 90 °! So it was quite possible to distance where this was happening! And even if the chance to disable it had been lower, it would still deserve to be tried. And even without disable, immobilize the flag-Tiger, would be more disturbed KMM because Maho would have had to keep the tanks to protect the flag-tank, which would have weakened the force of attack of the hill.

      In this regard, I note that - unlike her sister - Maho is aware that fighting in a flag-tank: during the attack of the hill, she wisely avoids exposing the roof of his Tiger. While Miho, even facing the Maus, takes no care: it exposes his flag-Panzer as if he had no more importance than other tanks of Oarai (in the match against Anzio, she so same demonstration when she sends the 38(t) against a cliff, in the open).

      Failure to disable the Jagdpanther? for me it is the most shameful stupidity of the match (Although'm aware that the scene was above all a humorous purpose) - tied with the Oarai rushed into the trap of Maus!

      For shooting Erika against the Panzer IV, I still see it reach its target without the intervention of the Type-3.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Ehm that 7.5cm kwk 42 L70 is just the gun from the Panther, nor was the Tas going to be a heavy but a medium tank in the same view as the Panther.

      As for a Hungarian theme school I've been working on that myself for my fanfic, I call it Tarczay Womens Academy in reference to the famous Hungarian tank ace Ervin Tarczay with the team captain being called Goulash given that GuP likes to use food related names. Tanks that I have envisagioned are Toldi III light tanks, Turan I and III medium tanks, Zrinyi I and II assault guns.

      I would really avoid picking those vehicles if you're planning to go for a different style, you're better served with earlier desings as Pravda seems to go for the later designs. Keep also in mind that Tsarist Russia ended in 1917 so they won't have any traditions with regards to tanks. SU-76i is a nice one simply because its a rare machine.

      Hungarians ranked 44.M Tass as the heavy tank. In Tsarist Russia school, my idea is to make the fight against Pravda! A version "GUP" Russian Civil War! 

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    • I just noticed that even Maginot's official title is in French... might as well mention it in its article...

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    • It is fair!

      I am confused with the match Yogurt vs Waffle ... The art book "Girls und Panzer Encyclopedia" attributed the victory to Waffe. The novel Saint gloriana vs Kuromorimine (published in the "Gekkan Senshado") the attribute Yogurt. In the picture posted by reviews Another D, I can not decipher who won, but given the Yogurt material advantage, I not see myself how small "Belgians" could have won ... That would be a feat worthy of 'Oarai!

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    • Don't worry, Yoghurt won. You say the Encyclopedia says Waffle won? Hmm... well, Gekkan is newer and it has more material, so perhaps they are retcoonning it.

      And while I know you are using machine translation, I must ask what is "It is fair!" supposed to be? Is "fair" supposed to be something like "good!" or "great!"?

      Because "It is fair" reads like "It is equal" to English readers :-)

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    • I used "It is fair !" in the sense of "You are right = Vous avez raison" (I do not know if that use is correct in English.


      About the game Yogurt vs Waffle, thanks for your answer ! 

      Here is a link where the version mentioned Girls und Panzer Encyclopedia And here is the one on the novel Saint gloriana vs Kuromorimine ("Victory in difficulty" (Ep.3))

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    • I agree with Severstal, Yoghurt shoul have won here as they just have too much of an advantage in terms of vehicles, that panzer IV/70 and Panther are already more than capable of wiping out everything that Waffle has while having little to almost nothing to fear from the front.

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    • I am of the same opinion ! 

      It makes me think that St. Gloriana had many merits to win the second round. As tactician, Darjeeling goes back much in my esteem !

      (not that I had a bad opinion of her and his abilities, but victory against Oarai, proved nothing on it)

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    • I'm not really sure if Darjeeling deserves to get much credit for that victory against BC, just looking at the matchup bar the M4A1 there is nothing that can threaten either the 9 Mathilda's or her Churchill from the sides.

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    • I did not think the game against BC, but the one that followed : St.Gloriana VS Yogurt.

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    • I can not identify the penultimate tank Yogurt ? Comparing with the japanese designations tanks in an artbook, I found some similarities with that of Ferdinand/Elefant ... but it's not him.

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    • There's only one from Yoghurt that I can't identify and that is the 1st one of the second row, the 2nd of that row is a Panther ausf. D or G.

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    • I think it is a Hetzer. Viewing the site of GUP Japanese wikipedia .

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    • Doubtfull on it being a Hetzer, as far as I know the Bulgarian army never took any of them. Panzer IV, Stug III, panzer IV/70 were so it makes sense for these to be in the team, maybe it's a jagdpanzer IV as Bulgaria had some of these as well.

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    • The canon version Kwk40L/48 ?  Also possible ! That said, I believe that this is the Hetzer .

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    • It does bode more towards the Hetzer if we look at the Kanji.

      And yes the jagdpanzer IV carried the same 7.5cm L48 as found on the Hetzer, oh well if it wasn't used then I can use that for yoghurt's next tank purchase in the fanfic.

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    • I hope that all these new documents do not go too upset your fanfics ?

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    • @Vautour2B



      Hello, it's me. Severstal is my other alias (usually for when for one reason or another arkhangelsk doesn't work).



      >I pointed at the Oarai mistakes, because-as those of KMM were meticulously detailed, without the same work was done for his opponent.



      I have a different post going over KMM mistakes. You might notice by the time I made the post you linked to I am actually getting a bit tired of repeating myself on KMM and feel confident everyone knows where I stand on the topic.



      >I maintain that Miho is surprised by the ambush of his sister!



      I agree. Hopefully, this simple sentence can be processed correctly by your machine translator.



      >I find that, without any means of aerial reconnaissance, Maho rather well anticipated the movements of Oarai



      It is easy to predict Miho would head for the hill considering the situation. It is nevertheless a correct estimate and credit must be given.



      UNFORTUNATELY, the correct situation estimate is negated by the wrong decision. As you have tactily conceded below, KMM does not shoot well - criticizing other teams does not change this.



      If your team does not shoot well, your tactics must change. The fire tasks must be maximally simple and you must give them as much time as possible, so they can fire many times to achieve the desired destruction.



      Maho's decision meant a difficult fire task (crossing target and not point blank range) and also few shot opportunities. As a result, ambush only killed one tank, and that probably by luck.



      That is the failure.



      >When their marksmanship, I do not find KMM worse than other big teams. During the ambush of the village, Pravda fired a shorter distance, yet they have damaged three tanks - no disabled Oarai, while Pravda encircled them.



      They have achieved their fire task. Katyusha did not want them killed. She wants them alive but demoralized so they will dogeza.



      By the time Oarai was in the church, StuG has lost its track, M3 Lee lost its main gun, Panzer IV lost its traverse. In short, firepower was almost neutralized, creating a (theoretically) hopeless situation. Plus, they just showed how good they are making these shots - more convincing than just aiming for the center mass of tanks.



      >Later, when the 38(t) circulating between their T-34 & IS-2, they were not more effective than KMM vs Hetzer (while all their Pravda tanks had turrets).



      I blame the bonfires. They are nearly blind :-)



      >Saunders is found several times at distances of shooting very low: they have not put a single shot on goal (except Naomi). When St.Gloriana during the ambush of Oarai missed they missed shots, against static targets at distances scarcely less ridiculous.



      Both these teams are weak at shooting I agree.



      >For the smoke device: even though they would not have asses to reach the hill, nothing prevented them to take turns rolling two front lines.



      The machine translator is really failing you here. I don't understand this sentence.



      The important point is that the smoke is finite and the tanks don't necessarily all carry the same load. Char and Type 89 have low fire effectiveness anyway so may carry more smoke. In any case, the expenditure of finite smoke must necessarily be selective and some risks have to be borne.



      If you must make this criticism, you should choose a point where NOT using a smokescreen actually cost them something, and that would be when they crossed the woods. If Miho made an instant decision to expend smoke the moment they were shelled, she may have saved the Chi-Nu. On the opposite side, since they are profile on, the lead tanks will not covered by smoke and will become priority targets.



      >Moreover, the B1bis continued to smoke up the hill (as well as Type-89). Later, it was he covering, its smoky, the flight of other tanks. If the reserves of smoke really was as low, why did Miho does not entrust this latest mission to another tank? One who has not used its smoke while mounted? The M3 or Stug III, for example ...



      >With "Panzergranate 40", the "7,5 cm PAK 39 L / 48"(Hetzer) 97mm perforated shield at a distance of 1000m, at an incidence of 30 ° and even 77mm 1500m (30 °).



      Wait, you are assuming they even HAVE PzGr 40, though ammunition is rationed out by the JSF. If you have read Darjeeling vs Maho in Gekkan, you may note that they were saddled with lots of less effective ammunition.



      >And even if the chance to disable it had been lower, it would still deserve to be tried.



      You have a valid point there. If I were sitting there, would I have tried? Probably. However, it would be unfair to not note that there are other points of view and a valid literary objective in having Anzu not shoot the Tiger. That it is not your decision does not necessarily mean it is wrong.



      On a more humorous note, from a TVTropes perspective, it can also be said Anzu is "Genre-Savvy". GuP is basically Anglerfish > captains and vice-captains of the other teams >> rest of Oarai > other teams. Anzu knows where she is on the food-chain. If she shoots Maho, something, anything would happen to stop her from getting the kill.



      Rabbit Team, who forgot this in the movie, apparently challenged Nonna. While details are still unclear, their defeat had little to do with equipment or tactics. That their opponent is Nonna outweighs all other factors :-)



      >And even without disable, immobilize the flag-Tiger, would be more disturbed KMM because Maho would have had to keep the tanks to protect the flag-tank, which would have weakened the force of attack of the hill.



      If they had done that, they'll be very interesting. When baiting, it is important to be interesting, but not TOO interesting. If you are too interesting, they will decide to concentrate on killing you first. Maho chose to head for the hill because the Hetzer is not TOO interesting.



      >In this regard, I note that - unlike her sister - Maho is aware that fighting in a flag-tank: during the attack of the hill, she wisely avoids exposing the roof of his Tiger.



      Maho is also the one who decided to enter a one on one fight instead of using her team, when she has no need to do so.



      >While Miho, even facing the Maus, takes no care: it exposes his flag-Panzer as if he had no more importance than other tanks of Oarai (in the match against Anzio, she so same demonstration when she sends the 38(t) against a cliff, in the open).



      I agree the Anzio decision is risky, but hit rates in GuP are generally low, and the 38(t) wasn't hit and P40 did what she wanted it to do. The decision must be rated at least satisfactory.



      As for the Maus, do you propose Miho abandon her fellow tanks? What kind of leader will she be?



      >For shooting Erika against the Panzer IV, I still see it reach its target without the intervention of the Type-3.



      That shot, yes. But if she had to do it over again, she will have to repeat the whole process. Will she do as well in a repeat attempt? Given what she managed to do climbing the hill (nothing), I'm not convinced she can do it.

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      I hope that all these new documents do not go too upset your fanfics ?


      Au contraire mon ami. If anything it actually helps as I get more material to work with.

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    • Thanks for the scans, wow I'm relly feeling sorry for Viking given for what pravda threw at them.

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    • Thank you.

      It's interesting to compare the Anzio vs Maginot charts to the Ooarai vs Anzio charts... The latter implies that Anzio had the advantage, and that the addition of the P40 to their team has given a bit more all-round abilities (since it seems that before Anzio had an advantage especially in mobility).

      Curious...

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    • Well you have to admitt that with the addition of the P26/40 that Anzio got one massive boost compared to what else they have in the team.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Well you have to admitt that with the addition of the P26/40 that Anzio got one massive boost compared to what else they have in the team.

      Not by very much, in my opinion. The Semovente da 75/18 is not an excellent vehicle, but it's got a pretty powerful gun (according to the art book page ), has a small silhouette and it's protected against small-caliber guns. The P40, while a tank and not an SPG and therefore having a turret, is not that well protected (more or less similar to the T-34), and its 75 mm gun is roughly as powerful as the 75 mm of the Sherman.

      Granted, it's a big help, but it's not like before they were that weak. They managed to defeat Maginot, after all, a school renowned for their well-protected guns (for the early period).

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    • Fox357magnum wrote:
      For Chi-Ha Tan I only speculate but I think I'm right. (I saw 3 types of tanks 4x of the first 5x of the second & 1x last)

      For the tank alone I think it's the Ha-Go because first some team use light tanks for recon or as a decoy (KMM do this with the Pz.III) and I think it could be stupid to bring many of this tank especially against KMM.

      For the tank in 4 exemplaries, I think it's the Chi-Ha because the favorite tank of Chi-Ha Tan (thanks Captain Obvious).

      And for the one in 5 exemplaries I think it's the Shinhoto because I barely manage to compare the ideograms of the pic and those on the main site and it seems to correspond.

      So I stay on my thoughts 4xType 97 Chi-ha  5xType 97 Chi-ha Shinhoto 1xType 95 Ha-go

      Well from that 8 min trailer we now know that Chihatan has at least 3 shinhoto's.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Fox357magnum wrote:
      For Chi-Ha Tan I only speculate but I think I'm right. (I saw 3 types of tanks 4x of the first 5x of the second & 1x last)

      For the tank alone I think it's the Ha-Go because first some team use light tanks for recon or as a decoy (KMM do this with the Pz.III) and I think it could be stupid to bring many of this tank especially against KMM.

      For the tank in 4 exemplaries, I think it's the Chi-Ha because the favorite tank of Chi-Ha Tan (thanks Captain Obvious).

      And for the one in 5 exemplaries I think it's the Shinhoto because I barely manage to compare the ideograms of the pic and those on the main site and it seems to correspond.

      So I stay on my thoughts 4xType 97 Chi-ha  5xType 97 Chi-ha Shinhoto 1xType 95 Ha-go

      Well from that 8 min trailer we now know that Chihatan has at least 3 shinhoto's.

      Hi, Hauptman.
      According to this Chi-ha Tan has 4xChi-Ha 5xShinhoto & 1xHa-Go. Compare the ideograms: 九七式中戦車(新砲塔) for Shinhoto, 九七式中戦車(旧砲塔) for Chi ha & 九五式軽戦車 for Ha-Go.

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    • @ Severstal

      Severstal - It is easy to predict Miho would head for the hill considering the situation. It is nevertheless a correct estimate and credit must be given.

      UNFORTUNATELY, the correct situation estimate is negated by the wrong decision. As you have tactily conceded below, KMM does not shoot well - criticizing other teams does not change this.

      If your team does not shoot well, your tactics must change. The fire tasks must be maximally simple and you must give them as much time as possible, so they can fire many times to achieve the desired destruction.

      Maho's decision meant a difficult fire task (crossing target and not point blank range) and also few shot opportunities. As a result, ambush only killed one tank, and that probably by luck.

      That is the failure.

      Vautour2b - It is, perhaps, what Maho wanted to do, but 1) it had no way of knowing exactly how fast the rolling Oarai tank platoon. 2) to reach the place of the ambush, she had to cross a forest with heavy tanks. So I still believe that, whatever her intentions, she did a good job, given her disabilities. 

      SeverstalThey have achieved their fire task. Katyusha did not want them killed. She wants them alive but demoralized so they will dogeza.

      By the time Oarai was in the church, StuG has lost its track, M3 Lee lost its main gun, Panzer IV lost its traverse. In short, firepower was almost neutralized, creating a (theoretically) hopeless situation. Plus, they just showed how good they are making these shots - more convincing than just aiming for the center mass of tanks.

      Vautour2b - This is only a hypothesis  ! There is no evidence that Pravda has specifically targeted these mechanical organs and has touched other than by chance.

      Severstal - I blame the bonfires. They are nearly blind  :-)

      Vautour2b - Really ? ... But the problem was the same for the crew of the 38(t), which has not prevented Anzu to aim right, and Yuzu to dodge the shots and slalom between the T-34 & IS-2 .

      Moreover, is not it contradictory to say :

      1) the Prada crews were blinded at the time of the fight against the 38(t)?

      2) that these same Prada crews, during the first battle in the village, targeted voluntarily and have managed to damage: the caterpillar of the StuG III, the gun M3 and traverse from the Panzer IV, avoiding intentionally to "turn off" the tanks of Oarai?

      If by "the bonfires" You made reference to the tracer bullets, I recall that they did start only after the "turn off" of the 38(t).

      Severstal - 'The machine translator is really failing you here. I don't understand this sentence.

      Vautour2b - Miho could organize relaits: roll half the tanks in front, smoke cut, while behind, the other half hid them with their smoked.

      Severstal - The important point is that the smoke is finite and the tanks don't necessarily all carry the same load. Char and Type 89 have low fire effectiveness anyway so may carry more smoke. In any case, the expenditure of finite smoke must necessarily be selective and some risks have to be borne.

      Vautour2b - It is possible, indeed!

      Severstal - SeIf you must make this criticism, you should choose a point where NOT using a smokescreen actually cost them something, and that would be when they crossed the woods. If Miho made an instant decision to expend smoke the moment they were shelled, she may have saved the Chi-Nu. On the opposite side, since they are profile on, the lead tanks will not covered by smoke and will become priority targets.

      Vautour2b - The main target was the flag-tank of Oarai. If smoke had been activated earlier, Erika could not target the Panzer IV.

      Severstal - Wait, you are assuming they even HAVE PzGr 40, though ammunition is rationed out by the JSF. If you have read Darjeeling vs Maho in Gekkan, you may note that they were saddled with lots of less effective ammunition.

      Vautou2b - There is another reason that rationing, which may justify the use of other munitions: the long distance Pzgr.40 are less accurate than Pzgr.39. This is also set in why the tanks of the German army boarded the two types of ammunition (the other being the tungsten shortage). Moreover though, Anzu had been deprived of Pzgr.40 with a Pzgr.39 she could still pierce 96 mm of armor at 500m, at an incidence of 30 ° ; 85mm to 1000m (30 °) ; 74mm to 1500m (30 °). Since its targets marched at an angle 90 °, its chances disable flagtank of KMM, and thus win the game, remained well above 50%.

      Severstal - You have a valid point there. If I were sitting there, would I have tried? Probably. However, it would be unfair to not note that there are other points of view and a valid literary objective in having Anzu not shoot the Tiger. That it is not your decision does not necessarily mean it is wrong.

      Vautour2b - You do not apply these precepts when you judge the actions of Maho, so why me, will I feel obliged to apply them with Anzu ?

      Severstal - If they had done that, they'll be very interesting. When baiting, it is important to be interesting, but not TOO interesting. If you are too interesting, they will decide to concentrate on killing you first. Maho chose to head for the hill because the Hetzer is not TOO interesting.

      Vautour2b - Sorry, The translator did it wrong ! I was not talking about baiting! I meant that if the Hetzer had damaged the flag-Tiger as to force it to stop to repair, Maho would have had to detach tanks for protection.

      Severstal - Maho is also the one who decided to enter a one on one fight instead of using her team, when she has no need to do so.

      Vautour2b - You are right, but I will answer you, for Maho, that: 1) It was not his school which was threatened with closure (nothing in the TV series would indicate). 2) Tiger VS Panzer IV, it was a type battle she could win - nothing to see Maus VS Panzer IV between two buildings

      Severstal - I agree the Anzio decision is risky, but hit rates in GuP are generally low, and the 38(t) wasn't hit and P40 did what she wanted it to do. The decision must be rated at least satisfactory.

      Vautour2b - If Yuzu had not done in extremis reversing, Oarai lost the game! Especially Miho has put a lot of time to pull the P26/40.

      Severstal - As for the Maus, do you propose Miho abandon her fellow tanks? What kind of leader will she be?

      Vautour2 - A Leader who said that his panzer is the flag-tank! and if it is "disabled", it is the end! She and her friends lose the match and the school (although we now know that it was a fool's bargain, they were unaware at the time).

      Severstal - That shot, yes. But if she had to do it over again, she will have to repeat the whole process. Will she do as well in a repeat attempt? Given what she managed to do climbing the hill (nothing), I'm not convinced she can do it.

      Vautour2b - It is an interpretation...

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    • Vautour2b - It is, perhaps, what Maho wanted to do, but 1) it had no way of knowing exactly how fast the rolling Oarai tank platoon. 2) to reach the place of the ambush, she had to cross a forest with heavy tanks. So I still believe that, whatever her intentions, she did a good job, given her disabilities.

      The answer to both is to 1) at least choose a point where her tanks can comfortably reach, or 2) just abandon the plan to ambush in the forest. An ambush is useless if it doesn't produce kills - if the only places to ambush are those where her team's gunnery cannot achieve a good rate of destruction, it is time to abandon the ambush plan. 

      Vautour2b - This is only a hypothesis  ! There is no evidence that Pravda has specifically targeted these mechanical organs and has touched other than by chance.

      Three times is quite the coincidence, Vautour. You can insist it is all luck, but you are probably on the weaker half that way.

      Vautour2b - Really ?

      I did not blame the night. I blamed the bonfire - the combustion of wood to obtain light and warmth. You see a number of them when Pravda is celebrating.

      You see, GuP girls have very good night vision, so much that they see night as a very dark day. However, Pravda chose to light fires. The luminosity of the fires destroyed their night vision.

      So ironically, freezing out there without the benefit of external sources of heat made Oarai the more prepared team to fight.

      Vautour2b - The main target was the flag-tank of Oarai. If smoke had been activated earlier, Erika could not target the Panzer IV.

      You mean when, when they are running across the woods or when the Panzer IV was bringing up the back? Erika can't touch a target at 1700 anyway and even she knows it. 

      Since its targets marched at an angle 90 °, its chances disable flagtank of KMM, and thus win the game, remained well above 50%.

      I'll like to point you to two scenes - one, when Hana hit the Tiger at far closer than 500 meters at a 90 degree angle ... and it still didn't flag the tiger. Two, when the IV-F2 targeted a T-34 at very close range, the round bounced off the side.

      It won't be the first or last time when theoretical calculations make disappointment in reality.

      Vautour2b - You do not apply these precepts when you judge the actions of Maho, so why me, will I feel obliged to apply them with Anzu ?

      That's because Maho's plan just didn't work. Anzu's faith in Miho and team was rewarded. Does that difference have no significance to you?

      Vautour2b - Sorry, The translator did it wrong ! I was not talking about baiting! I meant that if the Hetzer had damaged the flag-Tiger as to force it to stop to repair, Maho would have had to detach tanks for protection.

      Yes she will. The rest of the tanks will then forget the march on the hill until they kill the Hetzer. Though KMM really doesn't shoot well, do you propose the Hetzer fight odds of over 15:1?

      After they kill the Hetzer, they will march onto the hill, still with a firepower advantage. Without the disruption, they will find it very difficult to escape, even with KMM's poor gunnery.

      Vautour2b - You are right, but I will answer you, for Maho, that: 1) It was not his school which was threatened with closure (nothing in the TV series would indicate). 2) Tiger VS Panzer IV, it was a type battle she could win - nothing to see Maus VS Panzer IV between two buildings

      Well, and she didn't. She thought she could, but she didn't.

      Vautour2b - If Yuzu had not done in extremis reversing, Oarai lost the game! Especially Miho has put a lot of time to pull the P26/40.

      So Miho's faith in Yuzu is rewarded.

      Vautour2 - A Leader who said that his panzer is the flag-tank! and if it is "disabled", it is the end! She and her friends lose the match and the school (although we now know that it was a fool's bargain, they were unaware at the time).

      If she loses the control and trust of her team, she will probably lose anyway. The textbooks always say the commander should hide in the back, while reality says the opposite is true, because the textbook always under-estimates psychological factors.

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    • Looking at the matches of St. Gloriana, I see Matilda the lobby is a reality and it is powerful. Despite its "6-Pdr" Cromwell had to wait for the game against KMM to be engaged in battle.  Yogurt's powerful tanks should have justified its use 

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    • since when do kmm have poor gunnery I though they were all aces?

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    • @Vautour2b @Severstal

      About the decision to risk the Panzer 38(t) during the Anzio match, I believe that part of the reason could be found in the logical conclusion that Anchovy and her crew were not yet accostumed to the tank: it was newly bought, they didn't have very much fuel (so even training should have been limited) and overall its efficiency was not as high as it could have been.

      Also, the P40 had a weakness in its ergonomics, in which the commander (the one supposed to be careful of the surroundings) is also the gunner; the two tasks put together are a burden. And in fact Anchovy first took a shot at the 38(t), and only after she looked up, to see the Panzer IV above.

      In any case, would Anchovy have rushed in the trap all the same following a different tank? She is rather impulsive, but she could smell a trap, so it's not probable. With the opponent's flag tank, she felt that it was worth the risk, for the chance of winning with a lucky shot. Anchovy was being pressured: she had been forced to change, and her team was hard-pressed and taking losses. In this situation, with the adequate bait, it was all but logical to expect that she would go for broke.

      I'd say that overall MIho's gambit, while being risky, was well-thought.

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    • General patton 101 wrote:
      since when do kmm have poor gunnery I though they were all aces?

      They are not aces, I agree with Severstal on this point (there are none in GUP - except Naomi, Nonna, and to a lesser extent, Hana, may being Ayumi) but unlike him, I feel that they are not worse than other gunner ... but I gave up debate with him - as on our other disagreements - because I ended up understand that I will not be able to convince him.

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    • fair enough, the girl in the IV though who loves flowers ( forgot her name) may become an gunnery ace (as per each episode we see almost spot on hits)

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    • This is Hana Isuzu, the third girls that I quoted. I agree with you, it has all the qualities to reach the level of the best.  

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    • indeed, an sorry

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    • Why "an sorry" ? I too sometimes I forget the names of the characters !

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    • because I forgot >.> that's just me lol an ohhi see glad im not alone atleast

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    • Somebody has translated a little bit of the booklet that came with the Anzio blu-ray set and it gives soem info on how Anzio was able to defeat Maginot.

      The CV33s baited the French tanks into chasing them, but with a single semovente acting as the rear guard to fend off the pursuers. The much heavier flag tank obviously lagged behind and was taken out with a pincer attack by two other semoventes. It was a tough match, but amusingly, Maginot's flag tank was the only tank that got taken out in that battle.

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    • Thank you very much, Hauptman ! This was longtemp I expected to learn more.


      I can however a surprise that the flag-tank was lagging ? From this table (OVA.7), it is one of the S35 that was the flag-tank. With 23 km / h in off-road, it's the fastest tank of the Maginot team ?

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    • I can't see the picture so I don't know what it is referring to.

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    • A screenshotof the fansub release.

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    • It does seem strange.

      Either it was conforming to the speed of the Char B1 bis that was in the rear (as it appears in the magazine), or I don't have any idea.

      In any case, it's not that surprising to me that only a single SOMUA was taken out; after all, Anzio had either CV.33s (small and agile, difficult to hit) and Semoventi (that were likely in ambush positions), but since it had only three of the latter with guns, losses from both sides were likely to be light, I think

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    • Upon reflection, I think that the Maginot flag-tank, was, perhaps, not lagging. Maginot had, perhaps, deliberately set up the rear, under the protection of a B1bis. The Semovente they pursued (and covering the drain CV33) was perhaps the flag-tank Anzio. Eclair did not expect that Anzio dare leave his flag-tank without protection, but the Anchovy trapped by detaching the pack two Semovents, instead of one ?

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    • Someone posted the complete scans for the whole Tournament.

      Here.

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    • Damn, Bonple sure got it rough in their match.

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    • No kidding.

      It looks that they used among others the TKS tankettes. I wonder if they were the ones with the 20 mm guns; because if not, I believe that they're just at the level of Anzio's CV.33s in terms of effectiveness.

      Also, I still don't know if the graphics show just the stats of the schools or they also include their in-battle performance, but Bonple sure has them low. 

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    • Well given that they use the 20mm armed version in Ribbon Warrior I'm inclined to say they used them here, still pretty much useless against the T34's or the KV-2. Plus the article itself also mentions the 20mm armed version.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Well given that they use the 20mm armed version in Ribbon Warrior I'm inclined to say they used them here, still pretty much useless against the T34's or the KV-2. Plus the article itself also mentions the 20mm armed version.

      Oh, well, that settles it. The CVs can rest easy on their throne! :-P

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    • Ah, the CV's still have cuteness in their favor though tehre is oen thing that cannot be beatern in the cuteness department; the Luchs.

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    • This did not prevent Anzio reserve a nasty surprise  to Harp University (Ribbon Warrior).

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    • Holy...

      I admit I didn't expect that. :-O

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    • Solothurn 20mm anti-tank rifle, still odd that Anzio hasn't equipped their CV's with it as it was mounted in the hull instead of the MG's.

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    • Actually, recent research has shown that, in at least a few occasions, the Solothurn was mounted as shown in the manga. That because substituting the MG meant that the CV would be effective only against light armor, and not against infantry. In this position, instead, the MG could be kept, although it required the commander to expose himself to fire it.

      Kudos for the authors; they must have found out somehow.

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    • I see, that is a new bit of info, still for Tankery or Tankathon one would think that the loss of anti-infantry capability woul be worth the increase in anti-tank performance.

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    • I think this is has more to do with the possibility of removing the Solothurn (for the Sensha-dou matches) more easily.

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    • That is pretty likely.

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    • Here's a low-quality pic that nonetheless proves the Solothurn arrangement shown.

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    • Thank ! I could not identify the weapon (at first I thought it was a PTRD-41 or PTRS-41, but the muzzle brake did not fit). 

      Fortunately for Oarais, qu'Anzio not yet had them at the time of the "63th nationnal senshado", otherwise ... 

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      Thank ! I could not identify the weapon (at first I thought it was a PTRD-41 or PTRS-41, but the muzzle brake did not fit). 

      Fortunately for Oarais, qu'Anzio not yet had them at the time of the "63th nationnal senshado", otherwise ... 

      Hmmm... I doubt it. Performance-wise, the Solothurn was not better than a good 20 mm gun. Against Ooarai, it could have dealth with the Type 89B, but that's pretty much it.

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    • Aye, much like any other anti-tank rifle of WWII it really couldn't do much anymore to the kind of tanks that we see from '42 onwards although they remained effective against armored cars and halftracks. Their main use against tanks was to knock out the tracks of vision devices.

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    • The side armors and back of 38t), were only 15mm ...

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    • Alright. But the Solothurn was also an ungainly beast; I think I read that it had a fierce recoil. It sure looks like that, from this video . Shooting a mobile target from another moving vehicle wouldn't have been that easy.

      Those Anzio girls are going to have their shoulders butchered at the end of the battle...

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    • It's the same thing with the 20mm Lathi L-39 anti-tank rifle, fearsome recoil.

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    • But for a school penniless as Anzio, this allows them to be competitive in the Tankathlon for a very low price. 

      FT Maginot  come to lose one of the only opponent against whom they still had a chance. They do their little remains of that  7TPdw Bonple (unless it is a dicipline "senshado-WW1").

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    • True, in Tankathlon the Solothurn is quite a power-up, given the thin armor of most tanks used. Even the Te-Ke would be easy prey for that.

      In terms of potential vehicles to be used, why not go for a Semovente da 47/32? IRL it was a waste of time and resources (and in Sensha-dou it wouldn't be authorized given its open-topped status), but in Tankathlon it would be a beast. And given its smallness, I bet Anchovy could get one at a fair price. :-P

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    • Are open-topped vehicles actually allowed in Tankathon, so far we've only seen fully enclosed vehicles.

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    • Well, if the Anzio girls can use the CV.33 with the Solothurn, that requires them to stick out of the fighting compartment, I'd answer yes. The emphasis on crew safety is clearly lacking here.

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    • Not to mention the total lack of safety precautions for spectators ... 

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      Not to mention the total lack of safety precautions for spectators ... 


      Can't deny that.

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    • But I do not deny it ! (Sorry, this is, again, my bad English) I meant that, given the indifference of the senshado federation for the safety of spectators Tankathlon, it would be strange that prohibits tanks without roofs.

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    • Italianfan88 wrote:
      Well, if the Anzio girls can use the CV.33 with the Solothurn, that requires them to stick out of the fighting compartment, I'd answer yes. The emphasis on crew safety is clearly lacking here.

      A bit hasty a conclusion if you ask me. The CV33 is a closed top vehicle. Though they now have to stick their head out to use the weapon, it is an extension of how you can stick your head out of a regular tank - you can always choose when discretion is the better half of valour. This is an option not available in an open-topped vehicle.

      Still, I must wonder why they don't choose the below safer option - yes the traverse is less but the ability to use it under-armor is most significant.
      Solothurn
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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      But I do not deny it ! (Sorry, this is, again, my bad English) I meant that, given the indifference of the senshado federation for the safety of spectators Tankathlon, it would be strange that prohibits tanks without roofs.


      I wasn't saying that Vatour2b, I was saying that it can't be denied that the that tehre is a shocking disregard for the safety of spectators though we shoul keep in mind that this is pretty much an illegal sport.

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    • Severstal wrote:
      Italianfan88 wrote:
      Well, if the Anzio girls can use the CV.33 with the Solothurn, that requires them to stick out of the fighting compartment, I'd answer yes. The emphasis on crew safety is clearly lacking here.
      A bit hasty a conclusion if you ask me. The CV33 is a closed top vehicle. Though they now have to stick their head out to use the weapon, it is an extension of how you can stick your head out of a regular tank - you can always choose when discretion is the better half of valour. This is an option not available in an open-topped vehicle. Still, I must wonder why they don't choose the below safer option - yes the traverse is less but the ability to use it under-armor is most significant.
      Solothurn

      True, it's a bit different sticking your head out of a closed vehicle and fighting in an open-topped one; but given that we can see that in Sensha-dou when the firing gets heavy everyone ducks inside, while in Tankathlon even in the thick of fighting the girls keep their heads well out... Well, I see no reason why the latter wouldn't drop the issue and allow open-topped vehicles, too. 

      As I said, it was probably because the alternative allows for easy and quick removing of the Solothurn, so that they can use the tankette in Sensha-dou matches. If they had chosen the one you pointed to, things would be more difficult.

      Also, apart from machine-gun fire (and I wouldn't bet that it keeps away .50 caliber AP bullets), the CV's armor can't really stop anything, so I believe that the armor bit is not worth thinking over.

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    • Italianfan88 wrote:

      True, it's a bit different sticking your head out of a closed vehicle and fighting in an open-topped one; but given that we can see that in Sensha-dou when the firing gets heavy everyone ducks inside, while in Tankathlon even in the thick of fighting the girls keep their heads well out... Well, I see no reason why the latter wouldn't drop the issue and allow open-topped vehicles, too.


      I can think of a few reasons as to why heads are kept out. There's the average temperament of the players playing Tankthalon. Further, the total vehicle numbers are low, as is the firepower and fighting distance. The bearing rates are increased. All this pushes the balance of advantage towards sticking your head out. However, it is one thing to keep volunteering to stick your head out, quite another to lose the option to hide.

      Further, I'll disagree with Hauptman that Tankathlon is an illegal sport - I mean, this is gun-sensitive Japan. It is more likely that the sanctioning system for Tankathlon vehicles is exactly that one for regular Tankery. The main difference is in how the matches are organized and vehicles under ten tons (actually more like 12 in practice with the Type 89 and the M2 at the very start is over 10 too) being allowed "unofficial matches" (they don't have to coordinate with municipal or JSF officials to hold one). So once they allow an open-topped vehicle for Tankathlon they are setting a real precedent for open-topped vehicles in regular Senshado.

      Going to a darker side is the issue of societal risk, and it is unspoken of but a very likely "other reason" as to why open-topped vehicles never seem to get sanctioned (w/ the exception of a particular piece of siege artillery working for the government). Accepting Senshado is accepting a certain risk (misuse of the tanks) and the looser rules of holding a Tankathlon match make it even more so, but this is compensated partially by the weaker tanks.

      And for any given mass, open-topped means larger weapons (risk). In the Tankathlon zone, right now we are topping out at a 57mm howitzer or 37mm gun - things like Semovente 75 (at 13-14 tons) are just clipped out.

      Allowing open topped in that mass range means allowing in such things as the Su-76 (10-11 tons). Or even the 8.5 ton 15cm sIG33(Sf) auf Pz I Ausf B (a 6-inch infantry gun firing as much as a 90kg overcaliber projectile). As you can see, safety aside, the increased firepower (risk) is not negligible.

      As I said, it was probably because the alternative allows for easy and quick removing of the Solothurn, so that they can use the tankette in Sensha-dou matches. If they had chosen the one you pointed to, things would be more difficult.

      Also, apart from machine-gun fire (and I wouldn't bet that it keeps away .50 caliber AP bullets), the CV's armor can't really stop anything, so I believe that the armor bit is not worth thinking over.


      While that's true in a game sense, even the lightest armor is carbon-sheated in Senshado and Tankathlon and it does protect the crew. And if anything, the internally mounted configuration would be more usable in Senshado (there is no anti-infantry work) even if they can't get it off again.

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    • Well, the vehicle I was referencing to is quite smaller than the one you've mentioned; the Semovente da 47/32 topped off at 6.5 tons.

      And now that I think about it, I believe that the last produced vehicles were of an improved version, which included a cover for the fighting compartment. But I don't know much about it.

      In any case, I believe that the relationship (as pertaining by rules and organization and governing bodies, if any) between Tankathlon and Sensha-dou is still too unclear for us to draw conclusions, such as saying that setting precedents in Tankathlon would have a mirroring effect in Sensha-dou.

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    • Hauptman wrote:
      Vautour2b wrote:
      But I do not deny it ! (Sorry, this is, again, my bad English) I meant that, given the indifference of the senshado federation for the safety of spectators Tankathlon, it would be strange that prohibits tanks without roofs.

      I wasn't saying that Vatour2b, I was saying that it can't be denied that the that tehre is a shocking disregard for the safety of spectators though we shoul keep in mind that this is pretty much an illegal sport.

      Completely agree. Just compare the organization of Oarai vs St.Gloriana with Tatenashi vs Duck Team.

      Partial evacuation of the town of Oarai with markup-go areas for tanks, for the first ... No security measures or precautions of any kind for the second .. The competitors can even shoot houses or inhabited imeubles! !! 

      Shizuka Tsuruki really is the worst bitch in the world of GUP! 

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    • Bandai gonna release another HS on the battles of the film.

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    • 86.246.165.173 wrote:
      Bandai gonna release another HS on the battles of the film.

      That would be cool.

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    • Well thanks to the movie we have an even greater idea of chihatan's tankfleet now. During the movie they appear with no less than 22 tanks.

      - 1x type 95 Ha-Go

      - 7x type 97 Chi-Ha shinhoto kai

      - 14x type 97 Chi-Ha

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    • youtube, a preview of the new HS

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    • 86.246.165.173 wrote:
      Bandai gonna release another HS on the battles of the film.

      Pics pics

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    • Well somebody on ak scans has now been busy translating the text of the Gekkan articles.  Originally Posted by St. GlorianaTitle Rival Team Research
      Red Square 1st


      Top Right Though much is at stake, the tankers look forwards to the battle. They shine in their strive to to deepen their friendship and love through friendly competition. Here, we introduce Oarai Girls School, St. Gloriana Girl's High School, and the others that have made the National Senshado Tournament an unforgettable experience.


      Paragraph 1 Hailing from the Port of Yokohama, St. Gloriana Girls High School is a distinguished institution that emphasizes the importance of formality and etiquette of the English. It is one of the schools who is held in high regards in the prestigious sport of Senshado. With sociability a high priority, regular formal parties are not uncommon. Due to this, many students are ready to host a tea party at any time.


      Paragraph 2 Due to their traditional ways, most team captains of St. Gloriana prefer to utilize the more conservative infantry tanks over the more aggressive cruiser tanks. Tanks of foreign design that were in British service will not be considered in matches.


      Because St. Gloriana takes pride in its tradition, the crews are very skilled in the vehicles used today, but have trouble commanding unfamiliar vehicles, even vehicles that are British in origin.
      Currently in use are the Churchill Infantry Tank Mk. VII, the Matilda Infantry Tank Mk II, and the Crusader Tank Mk. III and Mk. IV. Due to the Mk. IV needing repairs, only the Mk. III appeared in the tournament.
      Though many other British vehicles have heavier firepower than the Matilda II, there has been a staunch opposition to completely replace them by the nostalgic alumni.
      For training the Light Tank Mk.6 is used.
      Due to the rather secretive nature of St. Gloriana’s Automotive classes the exact numbers and models of the vehicles they possess are a mystery, including many rare and prototype vehicles.


      Paragraph 3 Along with regular studies, St. Gloriana heavily promotes other activities such as sports, the arts, and various volunteer work. To graduate with only academic achievements is difficult, enrollment and showing dedication in elective classes is a must. This also applies to potential students wishing to enroll into St. Gloriana. Though Senshado is a large factor in attracting students, such is the reputation of the Tea Garden that some enroll for that reason only.
      Many members of the Tea Garden are also members of the Senshado team, with the senior members usually crewing the higher-ranking positions such as Commander or Gunner.


      Members of the Tea Garden are unmatched in the subject of manners, formalities, and social behavior, along with extremely good academic grades. Many choose Senshado as a way of joining the Tea Garden, with their ultimate goal being presented the chance to share a name with a type of tea. However, the individual’s skill in a tank does not guarantee entrance.


      Even after graduation, the members of the Tea Garden still have much influence in the school, occasionally donating sums of money along with opinions on how the school should be run. In addition, there are three rather influential organizations run by the alumni that promote the use of their chosen tank, these are the Matilda Club, the Churchill Club, and the Crusader Club.


      To be invited to the Tea Garden for a tea party is considered one of the highest honors that could be bestowed to a student of St. Gloriana. These parties are usually held to prepare the next generation of Senshado tank crews.
      While St. Gloriana prides itself as the school for the elite, excessive gaudiness and extravagance is looked down upon, especially at tea parties. For these occasions, simple, yet elegant clothing is desired. Like one’s clothing, manners and behaviors are to be kept humble and respectful. How one gracefully stands and speaks has more importance than any kind or amount of flattery or pomp.


      Still, their high-class appearance and countless customs have brought them a reputation as a rather prideful group by other schools, which sometimes makes inter-school relations and relations with the rest of the country somewhat difficult. Another reason is that the English culture is very difficult to understand compared to the other schools or the culture of Japan.


      Paragraph 4 Their obsession with tea and lack of care with actual meals is often the butt of jokes at other schools.


      Paragraph 5 Their preferred strategy is a slow but unbreakable assault with the goal of breaking enemy lines all while seeing how neatly they can keep their ranks while doing so. Due to their doctrine emphasizing concentrated fire, St. Gloriana tanks usually keep together in large groups. Due to, and because of, the slow relative speed of their tanks, shooting on the move is both required and an advantage, allowing for somewhat accurate fire while charging towards the enemy. The crews must trust and understand their leader, and the leader must trust and understand her crews for this tactic to work. To master and to pass on this knowledge is thought to be the highest priority before one graduates.
      Overall, victories and defeats are considered less important than a fair and honorable match with a similarly honorable rival. To give praise to the victor as the defeated, or to give praise to the defeated as the victor is the St. Gloriana way.


      Bottom Right The Tankers of St. Gloriana


      Darjeeling Birthday is September 17th, is currently 17 years old.
      Blood Type AB.
      From Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture, current residence is at the Woman’s Dormitories of St. Gloriana. Girl’s High School.
      Good grades overall, does best in English Classes.
      Her favorite snack and drink is Yorkshire Pudding and Darjeeling.
      Favorite Quote “With Good Conduct, comes Great Beauty.”


      Orange Pekoe Birthday is July 10th, is currently 16 years old.
      Blood Type is O.
      From Yokohama, current residence is at the Woman’s Dormitories of St. Gloriana.
      Good overall grades, but has trouble in Arithmetic classes.
      Likes a snack called Boku Raifuru, and also enjoys and Orange Pekoe-grade Black Tea.
      Favorite Quote “A Person Who is not Happy is no Different than One that has Nothing.”


      Assam Birthday is December 8th, currently 17 years old.
      Blood Type is O.
      From Yokohama, current residence is at the Woman’s Dormitories of St. Gloriana.
      Grades are excellent, but has trouble in Chinese Classical Literature classes.
      Enjoys eating Ginger Nuts and drinking Assam Tea.
      Favorite Quote “The Truth conquers All.”

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    • Originally Posted by Maple High SchoolParagraph 1 Maple High School
      From the Port of Tomakomai, Hokkaido.


      The story of Maple High School begins in 1877, when Manzo Nagano, the first Japanese immigrant to Canada, arrived in British Colombia. A few short years later, over 10,000 Japanese had immigrated to Canada, and by 1889, the number of Japanese immigrants was so significant in a few cities that their local governments were forced to enact a bread ration. In an effort to ease tensions, the Canadian and Japanese governments began talks to begin a new international relationship. The Canadian ambassadors on a diplomatic mission soon arrived in Japan, and various schools began an international program to begin teaching western culture and values.


      In 1929, the Canadian embassy in Tokyo opened and began cooperation with various economic and industrial districts. It was noted that the general climate of Hokkaido was very similar to Canada.
      There was great cooperation and many advancements in the fields of Art and music, culture, and forestry, and through Canadian assistance Hokkaido’s fishing industry flourished and their mutual relationship eventually culminated in a joint Canadian-Japanese school. Hokkaido is split horizontally into two areas with different regional governments, and after an unfinished school ship was purchased from the United Kingdom, the school on the southern half was named Maple High School.


      Due to the great number of trees, Maple High School is known as the ship with the most natural environment compared to the other school ships. They have a healthy Senshado program, which focuses on maneuver tactics rather than heavy firepower or armor.


      Paragraph 2 Their main force consists of Ram Cruiser Tanks and Grizzly Cruiser Tanks. They also possess the Valentine Tank and other Infantry Tanks along with various light tanks, but they are rarely used.

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    • Originally Posted by ViggenViggen High School
      Based at the Port of Niigata, in Niigata Prefecture, the school’s name means Thunderbolt in Swedish.

      In 1775 Swedish Botanist Carl Peter Thunberg arrived in Japan to study Japanese flora. The school first began as a botany-focused institution founded to organize and teach Thurnberg’s field research along with the flora of the world, but then gradually a woodworking and eventually an industrial class was introduced. Interest in home economics and interior design classes are very high. All students share a mentality of focusing on practicality, reliability, and simple appearances.

      Though they are relatively competent, a lack of tanks and people make it very difficult for the Viggen team to even enter into the Senshado Tournaments. Their main force consists of Stridsvagn m/42 medium tanks and Stridsvagn m/40 light tanks as a supplement.

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    • Originally Posted by MaginotMaginot Girl’s Academy (Lycée privé de Jeunes Filles Maginot)
      Based in Yamanashi Prefecture, Maginot Girl’s Academy was first established to preserve the knowledge of winemaking after its founder returned to France. The ability to make wine with the traditional the foot-crushing method was the only reason Maginot is a girl’s-only institution.

      Maginot Girl’s Academy has a few unique aspects that set it apart from its counterparts. Though they are based in Yamanashi Prefecture, due to its landlocked nature their school submarine makes port in Shizuoka Prefecture. The decision to utilize a submarine instead of the more ubiquitous surface ship was, again, solely for the purpose of making wine. It is said that the storage and fermentation time was superior under the sea than it was at its surface.

      Maginot, obviously, fields vehicles developed and used in and by France exclusively. The Renault FT (More popularly known as the FT-17.) and the R35 make up the light tanks of Maginot. The SOMUA S35 Cavalry Tank takes up the medium tank role and the Renault B1 takes up the heavy tank role. While it may seem that Maginot has a respectable lineup on paper, in reality technical issues and outdated engineering absolutely cripple the team in matches.

      One such technical issue was the fact that the vast majority of tanks Maginot currently has active were not designed to carry radios, a feature deemed absolutely necessary by the Senshado Federation. But even with emergency radios on board, teamwork and communication seems to be another weak link in Maginot’s tank team.

      There has been discussions to field the ARL-44 as Maginot’s wonder weapon, but due to a lack of funds, crews, and confidence in its capabilities, it seems it will not be making an appearance in the near future.

      The standard Maginot tactics revolves around a defensive battle group with the SOMUA S35 at its center while surrounded by the light tanks with the B1 heavy tank in reserve for use against heavier targets. This tactic requires crew members who are disciplined enough not to panic when a potential break occurs.

      However it seems Maginot is attempting to take a different approach this time, focusing on mobility, breaking enemy lines, and taking the initiative against more heavily armed and/or armored enemies. But due to this major shift in tactics, Maginot still requires many more hours of practice and experience before they are able to execute their planned maneuvers.

      Students are expected to be extremely well-behaved, polite, and respectful, and are usually very eager to learn, but their individual creativity is somewhat lacking and this deficiency also translates over to Senshado, where individual initiative and flexible tactics are seen as less important than demonstrating traditional French tactics. Though group discipline is very good, individually it can vary wildly, making cooperation rather difficult especially in a maneuver-focused doctrine.

      It has been said by the other schools that even though their tanks and tactics may be old and useless, their crews are well used to brute force, having been subjected to plenty of it during their time in tanks in a defensive position.

      For a school with a history that involves a very bad loss record, the punishments for defeats are still very harsh.

      As a school-wide policy creativity is not promoted, with the exception of the Art, Movie, and Theatre classes. However, this mentality does allow students to heavily focus on certain skills, resulting in students that, while not the most original or innovative, hone their talents to the point of mastery. This is most obvious in Maginot’s famous culinary classes. Such is their reputation that some enroll for that class only.

      Their food is specifically made to demonstrate the simplicity of flour and buckwheat and the richness of wild vegetables, game fowl, and mushrooms.

      SOMUA S35 It was formally adopted by French forces in 1936, featuring a cast turret and hull with a maximum armor thickness of 47mm, enough to resist the 3.7cm KwK 36 L/45 and the 7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24 of the early Panzer III and Panzer IV tanks.

      Unfortunately the S35 did have some deficiencies, including a hatch that, when opened, exposed an entire side of the turret, and a high center of gravity that makes rolling over very easy.

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    • Originally Posted by BC FreedomBC-Freedom High School
      The story of BC-Freedom High School begins with Maginot High School and their insatiable lust for wine.

      Due to problems acquiring any steady supply of wine grapes, it was considered to be more economical to build not one, but two schools for the sole purpose of supplying Maginot. And thus begins the story of BC High School and Freedom High School.

      Freedom High School hailed from the city of Okayama, the capitol city of Okayama Prefecture. Their vineyards flourished and expanded, eventually dominating their school ship.

      BC High School originally hailed from the landlocked city of Tsuyama, in Okayama Prefecture. Their ventures into growing wine grapes ended in failure, forcing them to look elsewhere. They found moderate successes by focusing on general education, home economics, commercial, and manufacturing classes.

      However, it didn’t last.

      Due to administration blunders and funding cuts, both schools deteriorated to a point to where it was no longer considered economical for both schools to be kept afloat. It was then decided by the Administration to take advantage of the situation by promoting inter-school relationships with a union of two different, but similar schools.
       
      And thus, the story of BC-Freedom High School begins.

      The union backfired in a colossal failure, with distrust and mutual hatred between the former two schools who where now forced to occupy a single ship. Their distrust for each other eventually led to the school ship being split in half, with the port side occupied by the former Freedom High School and the starboard side occupied by the former BC High School. This division also extended to living quarters and commercial buildings.

      With nonexistent teamwork and a constant power struggle, this union only managed to waste even more funds and brought down the Administration’s reputation even further. However as time went by, the number of students that do not identify with either the original schools has increased, and they live their lives mostly free from the rivalry.

      Due to their sudden union, BC-Freedom High School operates a mishmash of tanks that are very different from each other. Their main force in Senshado consists of early-war French tanks such as the Hotchkiss H-39 and SOMUA S-35 along with the heavier M4A2 and Model G Panther tanks.

      They are also known to possess an FCM F1 multi-turreted superheavy tank, but it has not seen combat. It is suspected to be either non-operational or is thought to lack combat ability. BC-Freedom High School has also acquired a Valentine Mk.V, but it is currently non-operational.

      With different origins and different tanks comes different tactics. The former BC High School preferred to break the enemy with maneuver warfare, drawing inspiration from Napoleonic Cavalry.
      Considered to be too risky, the former Freedom High School adopted a doctrine very similar to Maginot’s, where an extremely strong defense would stop the enemy from completing their objective. This was the main reason for the relatively slow FCM F1 and the Valentine infantry tank to be acquired.

      Regardless of the quality of their vehicles, a lack of teamwork between the two sides cripples them in matches.

      They have attempted to request additional support from Saunders, Kuromorimine, and St. Gloriana, but aren’t taken seriously due to the sheer number of other requests from other schools.

      Overall, the students of BC-Freedom High School are very similar to Maginot High School’s students. They heavily emphasize the importance of education, especially lessons that will create a good wife and a loving mother for a healthy family. Thus, Senshado is heavily promoted at BC-Freedom.

      The H-39 Tank Requesting a new infantry tank, Hotchkiss received orders for three prototypes but was beaten by Renault’s tank which would later be known as the R35. For political reasons, the Hotchkiss tank would continue to be produced, first tested and then rejected by the Infantry, the Cavalry reluctantly accepted their use, as the Cavalry would not have been granted the budget to buy tanks if they hadn’t already been avalible.

      The H-39 was an improvement over the earlier H-35 and the H-38. It was fitted with a more powerful engine and a longer 37mm L/35 SA38 gun, among others.

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    • Thank you Hauptman, that's great ! 

      I hope that a good soul will also be a translation of the matches described in the HS ?  

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    • Vautour2b wrote:
      Thank you Hauptman, that's great ! 

      I hope that a good soul will also be a translation of the matches described in the HS ?  


      Time will tell but already these translated of the Gekkan articles offer so much. Glad to see that I've been right with most of my guesses for what tanks they employ.

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    • On an artbook , invisible attractions in the film : "Great Escape" and the French bunker  - link

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    • Vautour2b wrote: On an artbook , invisible attractions in the film : "Great Escape" and the French bunker  - link

      The attractions were in the film. Watch it again. These were shown during the scene where Alice was trying to shoot the Nishizumi sisters during the start of the Alice/Azumi/Megumi vs Miho/Maho battle.

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    • Ok, I'll see that ... thank you.

      Edit : Well done, thank you again.

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    • Chinese Type 96B in the 2016 Tank Biathlon

      China tank

      Source: MaxDefense

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    • On the other Thai forum photocopies of HS on the film (as well as previous Gekkan Senshado magazines).

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    • GuP Senshado Schools Info Translations found in Gekkan Senshado magazines(12 of 19 schools have been finished):

      St. Gloriana

      Maple

      Viggen

      Maginot

      BC Freedom

      Count

      Gregor

      Blue Division

      Bonple

      Koala Forest

      Viking Fisheries

      Keizoku

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    • 49.147.222.142 wrote:
      GuP Senshado Schools Info Translations found in Gekkan Senshado magazines(12 of 19 schools have been finished):

      St. Gloriana

      Maple

      Viggen

      Maginot

      BC Freedom

      Count

      Gregor

      Blue Division

      Bonple

      Koala Forest

      Viking Fisheries

      Keizoku


      Nice find, thanks for it.

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    • Yogurt Academy School Info translations is up.

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    • Thank you very much "49.147.222.142" and "49.146.225.98" for the sharing of all these translations (If you find it on the matchs of different schools...?)

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    • A little odd that Yoghurt has issues due to the nature of their vehicles as upgrading odler models with newer components happened constantly uring WWII, for instance there is a photo of a StuG III ausf. C that was remared with a 7.5cm StuK 40 L/48 and a saukopf mantlet.

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    • Saunders University High School Info translations is now up.

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    • Chihatan High School Info Translations is now up.

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    • Zenjamibu wrote:
      Chihatan High School Info Translations is now up.


      Thanks for the info.

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    • Zenjamibu wrote:
      Chihatan High School Info Translations is now up.

      Thanks once I finish the timeline, I go back on working on schools.

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